Leah Feiger: And so much it was. Absolutely.

Katie Drummond: So many were, so my answer was, it will go through the court and it will go through the justice system, and it will be slow and messy and painful, but that is what the legal system is here to protect and here is to be safety Our democracy and these checks and balances. This is kind of the last yard, isn’t it?

Leah Feiger: Absolutely.

Katie Drummond: The courts are the last view in terms of our democracy and constitutional integrity. What we are looking at now is the possibility that it may not apply. What would it even like if that happened? I know that you are not a legal expert in addition to the politics editor of Wired, but what have you heard? What have experts tell you in the course of your reporting?

Leah Feiger: There are many people who say, “Look, these blows will come through. Musk and Trump are going to appeal, and eventually it ends in the Supreme Court.” Many people actually take comfort with this. They say: “Yes, the court may tend to be ideologically republican, but it is trained professionals who will understand that these legal systems must be maintained and complied with.” I’m not so confident in it.

Katie Drummond: Right.

Leah Feiger: I will be completely honest. What happens next, I think that the sluggish march of these court systems in some ways, although decisions, even temporarily, came off very quickly, there is plenty of room to move quickly and break things from the side of the dog.

Katie Drummond: Yes.

Leah Feiger: Many of these eggs cannot become unskilled. Many of this discharge and firing and negative conditions are … It will be really difficult to walk those back once a court can finally say, “No, no, no, it just can’t apply.” And it is—

Katie Drummond: If they can say that at all.

Leah Feiger: If they can say that at all.

Katie Drummond: Right.

Leah Feiger: We hear the concern of experts everywhere in general. We have never seen anything like this.

Katie Drummond: We certainly don’t have it. Not here in the United States. No.

Leah Feiger: Not here in the United States.

Katie Drummond: Well, in the meantime, we’re breathing. We keep doing the job, and we will continue to deliver to everyone, wired listeners and wired readers, our reporting, which we know as we know it. This is our dedication to you. You can read all the reporting Leah and her team do on wired.com. Leah, thank you for taking the time to be here with me. I know how busy you are.

Leah Feiger: Thank you very much. I like to talk about the takeovers of the government, Katie.

Katie Drummond: Now, get a granola bar from my office.

Leah Feiger: About to steal one immediately.

Katie Drummond: This is our performance for today. We are back tomorrow with an episode of our usual round table, all about the state of dating apps, a little light -hearted counter programming for you all. If you like what you have heard today make sure you follow it Ominous valley and judge it on your podcast app of choice. If you would like to contact one of us for questions, comments or suggestions, then write to us at [email protected]. Amar Lal at Macro Sound mixed this episode, with engineering support from Jake Lummus. Jordan Bell is our executive producer. Condé Nast’s head of Global Audio is Chris Bannon, and I am Katie Drummond, Wired’s global editorial director. Thank you very much. Goodbye.